Featuring the highest quality screen resolution highest quality video touch screen WiFi capabilities for streaming content to the device or a TV the ARCHOS 605 WiFi is the top product in the line-up for flexibility portability features and price.

• The 160 GB Archos 605 Wi-Fi bridges the gap between the PC and the TV; for the first time you can stream content from the PC or the Internet to the TV or PMP--all through a wireless home network the Archos 605 and the DVR Station


• Play all your digital entertainment: movies TV shows photos and music


• Record your favorite TV shows


• Stream and watch videos from your PC


• Download movies and music directly on your PMP using the Archos Content Portal

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• The 30 GB Archos 605 Wi-Fi bridges the gap between the PC and the TV; for the first time you can stream content from the PC or the Internet to the TV or PMP--all through a wireless home network the Archos 605 and the DVR Station


• Play all your digital entertainment: movies TV shows photos and music


• Record your favorite TV shows


• Stream and watch videos from your PC


• Download movies and music directly on your PMP using the Archos Content Portal

More detail ...

It's not perfect but I'm happy with it

I bought this to replace a Creative Zen Vision:M 30 GB MP3 and Video Player (Black) that had been stolen. I really liked my Zen but I wanted to see what new stuff had come out in the time since I bought it. This led me to getting the Archos 605 80GB instead mainly because of the optional TV hookups. I've never liked to watch movies or TV shows (or even music videos) on my PC monitor because I can't relax and enjoy something passive while I'm at my computer. I'd also never used the Zen's video capabilities much because the screen was too small. The Archos 605 on the other hand could be hooked up to a TV (with the DVR station or other accessories--I bought the DVR station) which would allow me to watch downloaded TV shows and movies in comfort--and even better with other people (it's difficult to crowd around a computer desk to watch a movie) plus I'd be able to watch stuff on the go with its larger screen.



The wifi access web browser plug-in and PDF reader also helped sell me on the Archos 605. I particularly looked forward to being able to read ebooks in PDF format.



So when I ordered the Archos 605 I was thinking of it as an MP3 "with benefits."



When the Archos 605 arrived I found out that its screen was totally large enough to watch video comfortably. Shortly after I got it I watched two and a half seasons of Weeds on it. It's fantastic! I can carry a TV show into the kitchen to grab a snack etc. When I'm home alone I'm even able to rely on the built-in speaker--for TV shows I don't need fantastic sound quality; I just need to be able to hear what they're saying. It's very cool; I'm very addicted. :)



Like I said I bought the DVR station with it. I had wondered how a video file from the Archos would hold up enlarged on a TV screen but no worries--the picture quality is good (we have a 32" set). I've recorded some stuff from our TiVo onto the Archos and the picture quality is good in that direction too. Since we do have a TiVo I haven't used the Archos as a DVR (with the downloaded TV listings and scheduled recordings) so I can't say how easy that is to use but it's definitely easy to manually record something and I was happy to see that I could tell it how long to record for.



As an MP3 player it's not as good as the Zen simply because it's not primarily an MP3.



One way the Zen (and probably most other MP3 players) is a better MP3 player than the Archos is that if you power the Archos 605 off while you're playing music it doesn't automatically start up where you left off when you turn it back on. Instead you boot up to the main screen and then you have to tap the "resume" icon; otherwise nothing happens. In this way it's less "plug and go" than my Zen was; sometimes if I'm only going to be driving for a few minutes (like a hop from the grocery store to the gas station) I won't bother starting it up at all. Also the way you lock the controls takes a few seconds longer than the Zen did. With the Zen you just slid the switch to the lock position. With the Archos you hold down the TV button until the lock icon appears on the screen.



If you're playing from a playlist when you turn the unit off and then you hit "resume" after you turn it back on it doesn't seem to resume the playlist--it does indeed play the song you were on but it's playing it from the album instead of the playlist so the next song after that is the next song on the album not the next song on the playlist. Possibly this is glitch that will be fixed in a firmware update (or perhaps has been--I haven't updated my firmware in a couple weeks).



Finally changing the play mode (normal shuffle repeat one repeat all) takes a lot more navigating around than it did on the Zen. It really shouldn't take that many clicks.



Sound-wise the Archos is good as the Zen was and its drawbacks as an MP3 player aren't so onerous that I'd consider buying a separate MP3 player. The Archos does well enough.



The PDF reader however turned out to be a disappointment. First it takes several (loooong) seconds to go to the next page. Second there's no way to bookmark where you are so that you can pick up where you left off. I figured I could just remember what page I was on and use the Go To Page feature to get back to it but the Go To Page feature uses a slider which is nowhere near as quick as if they'd let me type in a page number and it takes a long freaking time for it to then load that page. Ugh. So this thing definitely hasn't replaced my Palm Tungsten for e-reading.



I haven't used the web browser or wireless much. It seemed pretty slow the times I have and there's no "tap feedback" in the Content Portal so when you tap on a link you often don't know whether the tap has registered or not because the screen stays the same while the Archos (slooooowly) downloads the data for the next screen. That's frustrating. The web wasn't as frustrating as the Content Portal; I just haven't had much of a need to use it.



Another downside is that there aren't any cases for it that will protect the unit while allowing you direct immediate access to it the way the skin I had for my Zen did. Instead it comes with a padded envelope-like case that you have to slip the unit completely out of if you want to use it. (To be fair it's much better than the cloth pouch that came with the Zen.) Leather case options are limited and all the ones I've seen require you to open the case in order to view the screen or access the navigation. The one from Archos won't even let you turn it off with the case closed which isn't very handy if you're listening to audio and want to shut it off quickly.



I don't know how many hours I'm getting out of my battery. I did listen to music for 10 hours on a recent road trip without it giving out on me but I didn't keep going to see how much more I could get out of it. I've also watched a couple hours of video without it running out of juice--and again I ended up dropping it in the DVR station (which charges it) before it did run out so all I can say about the battery is that it's lasting long enough for my needs.



Despite the caveats I've listed above I LOVE my Archos 605. I love being able to take TV shows and movies with me everywhere. I love that I can finally watch bootleg concerts and other stuff I've downloaded on the "big screen." It's easy to use. The DVR station is easy to use. The two work together seamlessly. The Archos holds a ton off stuff. It plays my music. It lets me browse the web if I need to.



I'm happy with it definitely. And I'm keeping my fingers crossed that future firmware updates will make me even happier with it.More detail ...

In LOVE with this device!

Sometimes you buy something and you spend alot of money and just

don't feel like you have gotten your moneys worth or don't use it

enough to justify to yourself the purchase.

Well for me the Archos device is just about the best purchase

that I have ever made. It is just incredible. I literally use it

every day. I take it on the train. I take it backpacking. I watch

TV in bed before going to sleep. I even watch it at work occasionally.

I really have no complaints whatsoever on this device!

I previously purchased the Archos 604 30GB model. And yes I bought

all the plugins... This purchase was for the Wifi and higher resolution

than my 604. After firmware upgrade it has worked flawlessly.

Everything else on the device is just great.

Let me say that I purchased the video iPod and the video itself looks

great but it is SO SMALL! The screen size on this is perfect.

I actually went thru alot of pain to get VIDEO ON THE IPOD!

Well this baby will play alot of formats the ipod will not. mpeg2

vob avi mpeg4. Just buy the plugins and you are good to go.

Yes its a little more expense.. blah blah blah

To do movie conversion I use Nero Recoder for ipod (mpeg4).

For TV shows I used bittorrent. :) Legally of course :)

Somehow there are alot of negative comments about the device.

I don't understand. I've had the 604 for about 6 months and still

rave about it. The 605 is just as nice.

If you don't own one already I'd recommend getting the 30GB one

if you can afford it. The flash is nice for expansion but is

slower for copying files to the device. Flash is getting much

cheaper (2GB SD card for ~$20 now...) though.

Anyway if you want to watch video get the Archos. If you want

a music player buy an iPod. If you want people to think you have

money buy an iTouch.

Hope my comments were useful to you. If you buy it and are

dissappointed I will be too.



The following is added after having the unit for over a month:

- I still love it

- Never had ANY problems playing video

- Never had ANY problems playing music

- Lockup has occurred using Web Browser. They are not frequent

and I am assuming that Archos will continue to make the

product more robust with Opera. They have yet to release

the widgets so my guess is that they are working on it.

So... still very happy with Web Browser

- Complaints about having special cable are goofy (see iPod cable)

- The Media Server option is GREAT! I have a Maxtor NAS drive

which supports uPnP so I don't have to copy stuff onto the

device itself. For shows > 1hr I copy them to the device because

the fast forward does not work with the media server. (If you

use PC and share then use the file browser it does)

All being said I would lower the stars to 4.5 because of the lockups

during Web Browsing. Hope the additional comments help you.

Thanks



Update on Dec 11:

New firmware makes the device even better. Haven't seen any lockups

using the webbrowser. And now it supports flash games. OK OK... so

the CPU is not that powerful and it won't play alot of games to

satisfaction but it does play the cards games just fine.

Anyway... Yes yes yes... you have to buy plugins for the webbrowser

and if you want to play some different formats... Just figure an

extra 50 dollars. But again.. if you want to watch VIDEO then this

IS the device for you. If you want music then there are ALOT of

better mp3 players out there. And the complaints about video conversion..

well 1 plugin buys you anything you would watch on the ipod.

Like I said above.. sorry if you don't like it.More detail ...

It's not perfect but I'm happy with it

I bought this to replace a Creative Zen Vision:M 30 GB MP3 and Video Player (Black) that had been stolen. I really liked my Zen but I wanted to see what new stuff had come out in the time since I bought it. This led me to getting the Archos 605 80GB instead mainly because of the optional TV hookups. I've never liked to watch movies or TV shows (or even music videos) on my PC monitor because I can't relax and enjoy something passive while I'm at my computer. I'd also never used the Zen's video capabilities much because the screen was too small. The Archos 605 on the other hand could be hooked up to a TV (with the DVR station or other accessories--I bought the DVR station) which would allow me to watch downloaded TV shows and movies in comfort--and even better with other people (it's difficult to crowd around a computer desk to watch a movie) plus I'd be able to watch stuff on the go with its larger screen.



The wifi access web browser plug-in and PDF reader also helped sell me on the Archos 605. I particularly looked forward to being able to read ebooks in PDF format.



So when I ordered the Archos 605 I was thinking of it as an MP3 "with benefits."



When the Archos 605 arrived I found out that its screen was totally large enough to watch video comfortably. Shortly after I got it I watched two and a half seasons of Weeds on it. It's fantastic! I can carry a TV show into the kitchen to grab a snack etc. When I'm home alone I'm even able to rely on the built-in speaker--for TV shows I don't need fantastic sound quality; I just need to be able to hear what they're saying. It's very cool; I'm very addicted. :)



Like I said I bought the DVR station with it. I had wondered how a video file from the Archos would hold up enlarged on a TV screen but no worries--the picture quality is good (we have a 32" set). I've recorded some stuff from our TiVo onto the Archos and the picture quality is good in that direction too. Since we do have a TiVo I haven't used the Archos as a DVR (with the downloaded TV listings and scheduled recordings) so I can't say how easy that is to use but it's definitely easy to manually record something and I was happy to see that I could tell it how long to record for.



As an MP3 player it's not as good as the Zen simply because it's not primarily an MP3.



One way the Zen (and probably most other MP3 players) is a better MP3 player than the Archos is that if you power the Archos 605 off while you're playing music it doesn't automatically start up where you left off when you turn it back on. Instead you boot up to the main screen and then you have to tap the "resume" icon; otherwise nothing happens. In this way it's less "plug and go" than my Zen was; sometimes if I'm only going to be driving for a few minutes (like a hop from the grocery store to the gas station) I won't bother starting it up at all. Also the way you lock the controls takes a few seconds longer than the Zen did. With the Zen you just slid the switch to the lock position. With the Archos you hold down the TV button until the lock icon appears on the screen.



If you're playing from a playlist when you turn the unit off and then you hit "resume" after you turn it back on it doesn't seem to resume the playlist--it does indeed play the song you were on but it's playing it from the album instead of the playlist so the next song after that is the next song on the album not the next song on the playlist. Possibly this is glitch that will be fixed in a firmware update (or perhaps has been--I haven't updated my firmware in a couple weeks).



Finally changing the play mode (normal shuffle repeat one repeat all) takes a lot more navigating around than it did on the Zen. It really shouldn't take that many clicks.



Sound-wise the Archos is good as the Zen was and its drawbacks as an MP3 player aren't so onerous that I'd consider buying a separate MP3 player. The Archos does well enough.



The PDF reader however turned out to be a disappointment. First it takes several (loooong) seconds to go to the next page. Second there's no way to bookmark where you are so that you can pick up where you left off. I figured I could just remember what page I was on and use the Go To Page feature to get back to it but the Go To Page feature uses a slider which is nowhere near as quick as if they'd let me type in a page number and it takes a long freaking time for it to then load that page. Ugh. So this thing definitely hasn't replaced my Palm Tungsten for e-reading.



I haven't used the web browser or wireless much. It seemed pretty slow the times I have and there's no "tap feedback" in the Content Portal so when you tap on a link you often don't know whether the tap has registered or not because the screen stays the same while the Archos (slooooowly) downloads the data for the next screen. That's frustrating. The web wasn't as frustrating as the Content Portal; I just haven't had much of a need to use it.



Another downside is that there aren't any cases for it that will protect the unit while allowing you direct immediate access to it the way the skin I had for my Zen did. Instead it comes with a padded envelope-like case that you have to slip the unit completely out of if you want to use it. (To be fair it's much better than the cloth pouch that came with the Zen.) Leather case options are limited and all the ones I've seen require you to open the case in order to view the screen or access the navigation. The one from Archos won't even let you turn it off with the case closed which isn't very handy if you're listening to audio and want to shut it off quickly.



I don't know how many hours I'm getting out of my battery. I did listen to music for 10 hours on a recent road trip without it giving out on me but I didn't keep going to see how much more I could get out of it. I've also watched a couple hours of video without it running out of juice--and again I ended up dropping it in the DVR station (which charges it) before it did run out so all I can say about the battery is that it's lasting long enough for my needs.



Despite the caveats I've listed above I LOVE my Archos 605. I love being able to take TV shows and movies with me everywhere. I love that I can finally watch bootleg concerts and other stuff I've downloaded on the "big screen." It's easy to use. The DVR station is easy to use. The two work together seamlessly. The Archos holds a ton off stuff. It plays my music. It lets me browse the web if I need to.



I'm happy with it definitely. And I'm keeping my fingers crossed that future firmware updates will make me even happier with it.More detail ...

It's not perfect but I'm happy with it

I bought this to replace a Creative Zen Vision:M 30 GB MP3 and Video Player (Black) that had been stolen. I really liked my Zen but I wanted to see what new stuff had come out in the time since I bought it. This led me to getting the Archos 605 80GB instead mainly because of the optional TV hookups. I've never liked to watch movies or TV shows (or even music videos) on my PC monitor because I can't relax and enjoy something passive while I'm at my computer. I'd also never used the Zen's video capabilities much because the screen was too small. The Archos 605 on the other hand could be hooked up to a TV (with the DVR station or other accessories--I bought the DVR station) which would allow me to watch downloaded TV shows and movies in comfort--and even better with other people (it's difficult to crowd around a computer desk to watch a movie) plus I'd be able to watch stuff on the go with its larger screen.



The wifi access web browser plug-in and PDF reader also helped sell me on the Archos 605. I particularly looked forward to being able to read ebooks in PDF format.



So when I ordered the Archos 605 I was thinking of it as an MP3 "with benefits."



When the Archos 605 arrived I found out that its screen was totally large enough to watch video comfortably. Shortly after I got it I watched two and a half seasons of Weeds on it. It's fantastic! I can carry a TV show into the kitchen to grab a snack etc. When I'm home alone I'm even able to rely on the built-in speaker--for TV shows I don't need fantastic sound quality; I just need to be able to hear what they're saying. It's very cool; I'm very addicted. :)



Like I said I bought the DVR station with it. I had wondered how a video file from the Archos would hold up enlarged on a TV screen but no worries--the picture quality is good (we have a 32" set). I've recorded some stuff from our TiVo onto the Archos and the picture quality is good in that direction too. Since we do have a TiVo I haven't used the Archos as a DVR (with the downloaded TV listings and scheduled recordings) so I can't say how easy that is to use but it's definitely easy to manually record something and I was happy to see that I could tell it how long to record for.



As an MP3 player it's not as good as the Zen simply because it's not primarily an MP3.



One way the Zen (and probably most other MP3 players) is a better MP3 player than the Archos is that if you power the Archos 605 off while you're playing music it doesn't automatically start up where you left off when you turn it back on. Instead you boot up to the main screen and then you have to tap the "resume" icon; otherwise nothing happens. In this way it's less "plug and go" than my Zen was; sometimes if I'm only going to be driving for a few minutes (like a hop from the grocery store to the gas station) I won't bother starting it up at all. Also the way you lock the controls takes a few seconds longer than the Zen did. With the Zen you just slid the switch to the lock position. With the Archos you hold down the TV button until the lock icon appears on the screen.



If you're playing from a playlist when you turn the unit off and then you hit "resume" after you turn it back on it doesn't seem to resume the playlist--it does indeed play the song you were on but it's playing it from the album instead of the playlist so the next song after that is the next song on the album not the next song on the playlist. Possibly this is glitch that will be fixed in a firmware update (or perhaps has been--I haven't updated my firmware in a couple weeks).



Finally changing the play mode (normal shuffle repeat one repeat all) takes a lot more navigating around than it did on the Zen. It really shouldn't take that many clicks.



Sound-wise the Archos is good as the Zen was and its drawbacks as an MP3 player aren't so onerous that I'd consider buying a separate MP3 player. The Archos does well enough.



The PDF reader however turned out to be a disappointment. First it takes several (loooong) seconds to go to the next page. Second there's no way to bookmark where you are so that you can pick up where you left off. I figured I could just remember what page I was on and use the Go To Page feature to get back to it but the Go To Page feature uses a slider which is nowhere near as quick as if they'd let me type in a page number and it takes a long freaking time for it to then load that page. Ugh. So this thing definitely hasn't replaced my Palm Tungsten for e-reading.



I haven't used the web browser or wireless much. It seemed pretty slow the times I have and there's no "tap feedback" in the Content Portal so when you tap on a link you often don't know whether the tap has registered or not because the screen stays the same while the Archos (slooooowly) downloads the data for the next screen. That's frustrating. The web wasn't as frustrating as the Content Portal; I just haven't had much of a need to use it.



Another downside is that there aren't any cases for it that will protect the unit while allowing you direct immediate access to it the way the skin I had for my Zen did. Instead it comes with a padded envelope-like case that you have to slip the unit completely out of if you want to use it. (To be fair it's much better than the cloth pouch that came with the Zen.) Leather case options are limited and all the ones I've seen require you to open the case in order to view the screen or access the navigation. The one from Archos won't even let you turn it off with the case closed which isn't very handy if you're listening to audio and want to shut it off quickly.



I don't know how many hours I'm getting out of my battery. I did listen to music for 10 hours on a recent road trip without it giving out on me but I didn't keep going to see how much more I could get out of it. I've also watched a couple hours of video without it running out of juice--and again I ended up dropping it in the DVR station (which charges it) before it did run out so all I can say about the battery is that it's lasting long enough for my needs.



Despite the caveats I've listed above I LOVE my Archos 605. I love being able to take TV shows and movies with me everywhere. I love that I can finally watch bootleg concerts and other stuff I've downloaded on the "big screen." It's easy to use. The DVR station is easy to use. The two work together seamlessly. The Archos holds a ton off stuff. It plays my music. It lets me browse the web if I need to.



I'm happy with it definitely. And I'm keeping my fingers crossed that future firmware updates will make me even happier with it.More detail ...

It's not perfect but I'm happy with it

I bought this to replace a Creative Zen Vision:M 30 GB MP3 and Video Player (Black) that had been stolen. I really liked my Zen but I wanted to see what new stuff had come out in the time since I bought it. This led me to getting the Archos 605 80GB instead mainly because of the optional TV hookups. I've never liked to watch movies or TV shows (or even music videos) on my PC monitor because I can't relax and enjoy something passive while I'm at my computer. I'd also never used the Zen's video capabilities much because the screen was too small. The Archos 605 on the other hand could be hooked up to a TV (with the DVR station or other accessories--I bought the DVR station) which would allow me to watch downloaded TV shows and movies in comfort--and even better with other people (it's difficult to crowd around a computer desk to watch a movie) plus I'd be able to watch stuff on the go with its larger screen.



The wifi access web browser plug-in and PDF reader also helped sell me on the Archos 605. I particularly looked forward to being able to read ebooks in PDF format.



So when I ordered the Archos 605 I was thinking of it as an MP3 "with benefits."



When the Archos 605 arrived I found out that its screen was totally large enough to watch video comfortably. Shortly after I got it I watched two and a half seasons of Weeds on it. It's fantastic! I can carry a TV show into the kitchen to grab a snack etc. When I'm home alone I'm even able to rely on the built-in speaker--for TV shows I don't need fantastic sound quality; I just need to be able to hear what they're saying. It's very cool; I'm very addicted. :)



Like I said I bought the DVR station with it. I had wondered how a video file from the Archos would hold up enlarged on a TV screen but no worries--the picture quality is good (we have a 32" set). I've recorded some stuff from our TiVo onto the Archos and the picture quality is good in that direction too. Since we do have a TiVo I haven't used the Archos as a DVR (with the downloaded TV listings and scheduled recordings) so I can't say how easy that is to use but it's definitely easy to manually record something and I was happy to see that I could tell it how long to record for.



As an MP3 player it's not as good as the Zen simply because it's not primarily an MP3.



One way the Zen (and probably most other MP3 players) is a better MP3 player than the Archos is that if you power the Archos 605 off while you're playing music it doesn't automatically start up where you left off when you turn it back on. Instead you boot up to the main screen and then you have to tap the "resume" icon; otherwise nothing happens. In this way it's less "plug and go" than my Zen was; sometimes if I'm only going to be driving for a few minutes (like a hop from the grocery store to the gas station) I won't bother starting it up at all. Also the way you lock the controls takes a few seconds longer than the Zen did. With the Zen you just slid the switch to the lock position. With the Archos you hold down the TV button until the lock icon appears on the screen.



If you're playing from a playlist when you turn the unit off and then you hit "resume" after you turn it back on it doesn't seem to resume the playlist--it does indeed play the song you were on but it's playing it from the album instead of the playlist so the next song after that is the next song on the album not the next song on the playlist. Possibly this is glitch that will be fixed in a firmware update (or perhaps has been--I haven't updated my firmware in a couple weeks).



Finally changing the play mode (normal shuffle repeat one repeat all) takes a lot more navigating around than it did on the Zen. It really shouldn't take that many clicks.



Sound-wise the Archos is good as the Zen was and its drawbacks as an MP3 player aren't so onerous that I'd consider buying a separate MP3 player. The Archos does well enough.



The PDF reader however turned out to be a disappointment. First it takes several (loooong) seconds to go to the next page. Second there's no way to bookmark where you are so that you can pick up where you left off. I figured I could just remember what page I was on and use the Go To Page feature to get back to it but the Go To Page feature uses a slider which is nowhere near as quick as if they'd let me type in a page number and it takes a long freaking time for it to then load that page. Ugh. So this thing definitely hasn't replaced my Palm Tungsten for e-reading.



I haven't used the web browser or wireless much. It seemed pretty slow the times I have and there's no "tap feedback" in the Content Portal so when you tap on a link you often don't know whether the tap has registered or not because the screen stays the same while the Archos (slooooowly) downloads the data for the next screen. That's frustrating. The web wasn't as frustrating as the Content Portal; I just haven't had much of a need to use it.



Another downside is that there aren't any cases for it that will protect the unit while allowing you direct immediate access to it the way the skin I had for my Zen did. Instead it comes with a padded envelope-like case that you have to slip the unit completely out of if you want to use it. (To be fair it's much better than the cloth pouch that came with the Zen.) Leather case options are limited and all the ones I've seen require you to open the case in order to view the screen or access the navigation. The one from Archos won't even let you turn it off with the case closed which isn't very handy if you're listening to audio and want to shut it off quickly.



I don't know how many hours I'm getting out of my battery. I did listen to music for 10 hours on a recent road trip without it giving out on me but I didn't keep going to see how much more I could get out of it. I've also watched a couple hours of video without it running out of juice--and again I ended up dropping it in the DVR station (which charges it) before it did run out so all I can say about the battery is that it's lasting long enough for my needs.



Despite the caveats I've listed above I LOVE my Archos 605. I love being able to take TV shows and movies with me everywhere. I love that I can finally watch bootleg concerts and other stuff I've downloaded on the "big screen." It's easy to use. The DVR station is easy to use. The two work together seamlessly. The Archos holds a ton off stuff. It plays my music. It lets me browse the web if I need to.



I'm happy with it definitely. And I'm keeping my fingers crossed that future firmware updates will make me even happier with it.More detail ...